opentf/TSC/2025-05-27_NOTES.md

TSC Meeting Notes - May 27, 2025

Meeting Details

Video Recording

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieOT0_HTTJc

Attendees

TSC:

• James Humphries
• Christian Mesh
• Zach Goldberg
• Roger Simms
• Igor Savchenko
• Arel Rabinowitz

Agenda

1. TSC Chair assignment and voting
2. 1.11.0 Possible "Big ticket" features
3. CNCF onboarding
   • Current Status
   • Slack Migration
4. Reworking github groups and org membership
   • This is needed to match governance

Meeting Notes

1. Chair Assignment

Discussion

• Christian Mesh was proposed, however he has asked to not be put forward
• James pitched the idea of Christian being interim TSC Chair
• Christian is happy to take that role under the condition that we find someone else soon
• Igor mentioned that the chair is only mentioned in the charter and not the governance doc, no responsibilities are decided anywhere. Igor asked if we need a chair right now?
• There is a possibility that we don't need it right now and that electing a chair right now will not solve any issues

Decision

Let's defer chair assignment until we need it - Agreed

2. 1.11.0 Possible "Big Ticket" Features

Current State - Update from Christian Mesh

2.1 Ephemeral Values

Background:

• Work is already in progress
• RFC Tracker: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/2834
• Future of workspaces are being questioned right now
• More refining is needed in this area around the designs
• Christian proposes that the TSC members work with the RFC authors to refine those ideas
• Initial Issue: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/2160

Comments:

• Arel: We should discuss what the pain points are
• James: We should collate all of the issues that relate here
• Christian: One of the maintainers has a list of issues here and can work with a TSC member to gather this information
• Roger: This does constitute a breaking change, which is something that we've avoided for a while now. What is our position on making breaking changes?
• Christian: The title was quite provocative on purpose, but it's recommended to read the issue in depth
• Zach: Let's co-ordinate and discuss with Yousif from terragrunt as a SME in this area

Action Items:

• Collate a group of people to discuss this:
  • Yousif
  • James
  • Roger
  • Martin Atkins (Maintainer)
  • Igor

2.2 Resource Identities

Background:

• Hashicorp has a method of attaching an identity to a resource
• A community member has asked for the ability to import from a resource identity: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/2854

Comments:

• Zach: Can we nominate a person to create a well-informed opinion here

Action Items:

• James to do a writeup/issue to discuss this in the future

2.3 Unknown Inputs

Background:

• Issue: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/812
• Initial implementation/PoC: https://github.com/opentofu/opentofu/issues/812#issuecomment-1792802635

Comments:

• James: We should have a full RFC
• Arel: Does this overlap with Deferred actions?
• Zach: How do we deal with the 2 different layers (execution vs orchestration)
• James: We should discuss the future of the "orchestration layer" and what that looks like in the scope of opentofu in the future

Action Items:

• James to reach out to cube2222 to write an RFC (Or handle this in the maintainers)

2.4 Performance - It's a Feature!

Comments:

• Christian: I would like to get statistics from the TACOS and other community members to identify if the latest version of 1.10.0 of opentofu had a large impact on invocation time
• Should we/Could we add a way to expose a profiler dump from opentofu?
• James: OTel should cover 99% of these use cases. It has had a great improvement in 1.10.0
• Christian: OTel doesn't cover enough to help maintainers

Action Items:

• Christian to write an RFC

3. CNCF Onboarding

James gives a status update

Action Plan

• Make an announcement on the opentofu community slack about our migration to the CNCF slack, explain the next steps:
  • We will consolidate/close down channels
  • We will then be migrating across to the CNCF workspace, people will receive an invite
  • We ask people to start discussions in the CNCF Slack channel (Set a timeline of 7 days)
  • Set a deadline of when we will close down the opentofu community slack

Channels on the CNCF Slack Proposals

• #opentofu (Open)
• #opentofu-maintainers (Open)

4. Github Organization Membership and Groups

Discussion

• We clean up org members
• We should move to 2 groups: TSC + Maintainers

Comments

• Igor: Are we planning on moving it to github enterprise etc?

Decision

• Let's discuss github enterprise when we're fully onboarded to the CNCF
• Let's clean up the github org as much as possible now